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  • #16
    Originally posted by on2muchcoffee View Post
    My kid's school stopped doing the Obama lunch program last year.
    The kids wouldn't eat it.
    Same.

    And I had to hear young CHEEZY complain every week that the school didnt do bagel days anymore as well.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by IwasGunzen View Post
      His ego is going to go crazy when he has no power.
      I agree. He will compensate by being very unlike previous presidents: he will interject himself into politics routinely. And the media will eat it up.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by charliesheen View Post
        Heaven forbid we expect parents to send their children to school with food. You libs just love being Mammy to your poor colored, unwashed pets. With other people's money.
        The article posted by PSA was about an incident in Dunham, Ontario.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post
          Yeah, fuck it we should just let kids come up with their own school menus. Makes sense.
          I never had a problem with the school lunch thing. Was it a govt over reach? Sure was, but some govt abuses you go to battle over and this wasnt one of them

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          • #20
            Originally posted by posthuman View Post
            The article posted by PSA was about an incident in Dunham, Ontario.
            My bad. Things are different here.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by charliesheen View Post
              Heaven forbid we expect parents to send their children to school with food. You libs just love being Mammy to your poor colored, unwashed pets. With other people's money.
              Originally posted by posthuman View Post
              The article posted by PSA was about an incident in Dunham, Ontario.
              There you go introducing facts again in the Chump error....er.....era.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by biker View Post
                I never had a problem with the school lunch thing. Was it a govt over reach? Sure was, but some govt abuses you go to battle over and this wasnt one of them
                Its a fact that some parents either can't feed their kids or they feed them shitty food. I think a kid should at least get taught by the school some form of a nutritional diet plan. Now, that doesn't speak to whether any particular school implements a shitty program or has people that don't give a shit so they put out crappy food. I don't think it should be outrageous that a school at least attempts to show some dietary guidelines. Obviously if the kids are given their preference alot of them are gonna prefer pizza and french fries every day.

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                • #23
                  If hot dogs, pizza & Jell-o were good enough for me, it should be good enough for them. The problem is fucking kids today are discouraged from being active. Here in Florida the teachers union advocated doing away with recess. How stupid is that? Just so teachers could have a shorter work day. After a year of battles and parent protests they finally settled on a 20 minute recess. Big fucking deal!

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                  • #24
                    Recess was the shit. Except for the rules. No tackle football. No snowballs. No chicken fights. No real baseballs.

                    Hate to think what kids are up against now.

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                    • #25
                      Shit. There were serious childhood injuries every day during our grammar school recess.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by posthuman View Post
                        The article posted by PSA was about an incident in Dunham, Ontario.
                        Yeah, cause a simple search doesn't reveal this is happening in America too.

                        /roll

                        The point remains. Its one thing to offer free, reduced meal plans for poor families. It is quite another to toss food brought from home claiming its not good enough. Especially when school food uses below grade F foods, like 'pink slime'.

                        And while I can respect the idea of picking your battles, this type of behavior from schools/gov is teaching a whole generation of kids that they (and their parents) don't have final say in their lives.

                        Again, this should bother people...

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by PSA View Post
                          Yeah, cause a simple search doesn't reveal this is happening in America too.

                          /roll

                          The point remains. Its one thing to offer free, reduced meal plans for poor families. It is quite another to toss food brought from home claiming its not good enough. Especially when school food uses below grade F foods, like 'pink slime'.

                          And while I can respect the idea of picking your battles, this type of behavior from schools/gov is teaching a whole generation of kids that they (and their parents) don't have final say in their lives.

                          Again, this should bother people...
                          This is another case of misplaced blame though. The actual law passed by the USDA concerns lunches served by the schools themselves - basically mandating that fruit and veggies be part of the menu for meals covered under the NSLP. Individual cases where school officials threw away student lunches had nothing to with USDA regulation and everything to do with either overreach on the part of the school official or specific rules written by that particular school. Take it up with the school board in charge of the specific case you have a problem with. The fed simply isn't involved at that level. Of course, this isn't what you'll hear from the conservative pundits, who have convinced you and others like you that the mandate is an enormous overreach by the Obama administration.

                          So yeah, not only should you pick your battles, you should also make sure you understand what your actual battle is and who it is you're battling with.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by PSA View Post
                            Yeah, cause a simple search doesn't reveal this is happening in America too.

                            /roll

                            The point remains. Its one thing to offer free, reduced meal plans for poor families. It is quite another to toss food brought from home claiming its not good enough. Especially when school food uses below grade F foods, like 'pink slime'.

                            And while I can respect the idea of picking your battles, this type of behavior from schools/gov is teaching a whole generation of kids that they (and their parents) don't have final say in their lives.

                            Again, this should bother people...
                            I think you're conflating the issue. Michelle Obama being an advocate for healthier food in schools doesn't mean she can single handedly go in and run every shitty school with shitty ideas and overreach. Its inane if you are banning bag lunches...the concept that if the school serves food it should have nutrition standards shouldn't really be an outrageous one. But in its implementation for various reasons alot of schools end up still serving shit. Again, not really sure how that falls on Michelle Obama. Its weird that it makes some people angry that someone would advocate showing kids how to eat better and in many cases grow their own food. But if you've ever seen the Jamie Oliver show where he goes into schools and tries to advocate healthier menus its an uphill battlle for sure.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post
                              I think you're conflating the issue. Michelle Obama being an advocate for healthier food in schools doesn't mean she can single handedly go in and run every shitty school with shitty ideas and overreach. Its inane if you are banning bag lunches...the concept that if the school serves food it should have nutrition standards shouldn't really be an outrageous one. But in its implementation for various reasons alot of schools end up still serving shit. Again, not really sure how that falls on Michelle Obama. Its weird that it makes some people angry that someone would advocate showing kids how to eat better and in many cases grow their own food. But if you've ever seen the Jamie Oliver show where he goes into schools and tries to advocate healthier menus its an uphill battlle for sure.
                              That's the issue though. People have been using this as an example of "nanny state" overreach for years, but if you take just 10 minutes to actually look into it, it becomes clear that the problems are all at the local level. It's got nothing to do with Michelle Obama at all. The mandate only applies to lunches served by the schools, and even then, only lunches subsidized under the National School Lunch Program (NSLP). It says nothing about lunches packed by parents and brought to school by the students. Yet 4 years after going into effect we continue to hear people bitching about this. People are lazy. Nobody bothers to do any research any more.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Zach10k View Post
                                This is another case of misplaced blame though. The actual law passed by the USDA concerns lunches served by the schools themselves - basically mandating that fruit and veggies be part of the menu for meals covered under the NSLP. Individual cases where school officials threw away student lunches had nothing to with USDA regulation and everything to do with either overreach on the part of the school official or specific rules written by that particular school. Take it up with the school board in charge of the specific case you have a problem with. The fed simply isn't involved at that level. Of course, this isn't what you'll hear from the conservative pundits, who have convinced you and others like you that the mandate is an enormous overreach by the Obama administration.

                                So yeah, not only should you pick your battles, you should also make sure you understand what your actual battle is and who it is you're battling with.
                                Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post
                                I think you're conflating the issue. Michelle Obama being an advocate for healthier food in schools doesn't mean she can single handedly go in and run every shitty school with shitty ideas and overreach. Its inane if you are banning bag lunches...the concept that if the school serves food it should have nutrition standards shouldn't really be an outrageous one. But in its implementation for various reasons alot of schools end up still serving shit. Again, not really sure how that falls on Michelle Obama. Its weird that it makes some people angry that someone would advocate showing kids how to eat better and in many cases grow their own food. But if you've ever seen the Jamie Oliver show where he goes into schools and tries to advocate healthier menus its an uphill battlle for sure.
                                No, I feel you both.

                                The thing to remember is: Dept of Education sets a lot of these policies.

                                Now, you are correct, nowhere does Michelle Obama's 'new standards' say "if a child brings food from home, toss it"; but, as always this is a multi-faceted problem that started at the top. And, you are also correct in saying it is an uphill fight, as seen here:

                                New school lunch standards implemented as a result of First Lady Michelle Obama’s anti-obesity campaign have led to more than 1 million children leaving the lunch line, according to a new report.

                                The Government Accountability Office (GAO) released a wide-ranging audit of the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act nutrition standards last week, finding 48 out of 50 states faced challenges complying with Mrs. Obama’s Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act.

                                The new standards led to kids throwing out their fruits and vegetables, student boycotts, higher lunch costs, and odd food pairings such as “cheese stick with shrimp” in order for schools to comply with the complicated rules.

                                The National School Lunch Program saw a sharp decline in participation once the healthy standards went into effect during the 2012-2013 school year. A total of 1,086,000 students stopped buying school lunch, after participation had increased steadily for nearly a decade.

                                The report found that 321 districts left the National School Lunch Program altogether, many of which cited the new standards as a factor.
                                Source
                                But these policies, no matter how much "good intention" is involved, have caused issues. Schools get a mandate to follow certain rules or lose federal funding (granted, the fact the fed is involved at has always irked me, school funding largely by the State and below- why take Fed money if its such a small percent and it ties your hands in the process), so when the students start to resist- the school pushes back.

                                This then leads to food tossing, or more commonly (probably):
                                The mother, who doesn’t wish to be identified at this time, says she made her daughter a lunch that contained a turkey and cheese sandwich, a banana, apple juice and potato chips. A state inspector assessing the pre-K program at the school said the girl also needed a vegetable, so the inspector ordered a full school lunch tray for her. While the four-year-old was still allowed to eat her home lunch, the girl was forced to take a helping of chicken nuggets, milk, a fruit and a vegetable to supplement her sack lunch.
                                That's not cool. (No clue how chicken nuggets are ever considered healthy either, good chance those are pink slime).

                                Worse:
                                [W]hat concerned me was that I got a letter from the principal and it says students who do not bring a healthy lunch will be offered the missing portions which may result in a fee from the cafeteria.
                                Source
                                Additional fees, forced meals, and unapproved food thrown away by school officials largely because of the Michelle Obama standards.

                                For a country that prides itself as the land of the free... these 'learning institutions' sure seem Draconian to me.

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