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  • #46
    Originally posted by Par10 View Post

    Perhaps he helped bring down the Soviet Union, perhaps not. He was in charge when it happened so he gets the credit. Obama did what, exactly, that will go into the history books other than being black? I think that Woodrow Wilson is one of the worst POTUS that we've had but he did create the national park service so I would have to put him above Obama, just for that.
    I'm not the one putting Obama in top 7, I don't think he or Reagan belong there.

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    • #47
      In my lifetime.

      Eisenhower, interstate system +1, NASA +2

      Kennedy, Cuban missile crisis, -1 at the time, +1 with new declassified info. Moon program +4

      Johnson, Vietnam -1

      Nixon, Out of Vietnam +1, China +1, Watergate -1

      Ford, nothing memorable, 0

      Carter, hostages -1, failed rescue -1,

      Reagan, hostages back +1, wall fall +1,

      Bush, economy -1

      Clinton, NAFTA -1, moving SS to general funds -3

      Bush (the lessor), economy -2

      Obama, Obamacare -3, worsening race relations -5

      Trump, Gorsuch+1, enforcing laws on immigration +1, tweets -1,
      Last edited by antknot; 04-11-2017, 09:12 PM. Reason: Forgot moon program

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      • #48
        Originally posted by FSchmertz View Post
        He gets to claim Osama. Hey, if you give Reagan the Soviets, same justification.
        Not really. The Osama kill was a feel good thing that really didn't change anything. For example, off the top of your head, who killed Poncho Villa?
        If I'm giving Obama credit for anything, it's for banking reform although it didn't go far enough.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by antknot View Post
          In my lifetime.

          Eisenhower, interstate system +1, NASA +2

          Kennedy, Cuban missile crisis, -1 at the time, +1 with new declassified info. Moon program +4

          Johnson, Vietnam -1

          Nixon, Out of Vietnam +1, China +1, Watergate -1

          Ford, nothing memorable, 0

          Carter, hostages -1, failed rescue -1,

          Reagan, hostages back +1, wall fall +1,

          Bush, economy -1

          Clinton, NAFTA -1, moving SS to general funds -3

          Bush (the lessor), economy -2

          Obama, Obamacare -3, worsening race relations -5

          Trump, Gorsuch+1, enforcing laws on immigration +1, tweets -1,
          The only thing you had to say about Bush Jr. was a -2 on the economy? lulz.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post

            The only thing you had to say about Bush Jr. was a -2 on the economy? lulz.
            By Bush (the lessor) I was actively avoiding politics and ignoring the news. A carry over from avoiding the OJ trial. I proudly contend I am the least knowledgeable about the OJ trial of any adult that was in the USA at the time.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by antknot View Post

              By Bush (the lessor) I was actively avoiding politics and ignoring the news. A carry over from avoiding the OJ trial. I proudly contend I am the least knowledgeable about the OJ trial of any adult that was in the USA at the time.
              So the entire Iraq war...of which arguably ISIS and the entire Syria conflict today are a result of...was just you "avoiding politics"? Come on, man! But yeah that Obama worsening race relations was the worst negative on your list. Seems legit lol

              And for that matter...on a list of the most bestest Presidents why would you "actively avoid" politics when the entire nature of the position is pretty much completely political? Nobody should consider what type of dog they had in determining their greatness. Fail X2 lol

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              • #52
                Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post

                So the entire Iraq war...of which arguably ISIS and the entire Syria conflict today are a result of
                Very arguable. IS is the result of the troop withdrawal from Iraq

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by biker View Post

                  Very arguable. IS is the result of the troop withdrawal from Iraq
                  GImme a break. The leadership is made up of all deposed Iraqi military guys. You can't act like had we just stayed a little longer those guys worldview would somehow not have already been shapen into what it was. Occupying a country for 50 years isn't any kind of sustainable strategy.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post

                    GImme a break. The leadership is made up of all deposed Iraqi military guys.
                    Wrong

                    You can't act like had we just stayed a little longer those guys worldview would somehow not have already been shapen into what it was. Occupying a country for 50 years isn't any kind of sustainable strategy.
                    Then why did their major advancements coincide with troop withdrawal? A coinky donk is it?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by biker View Post

                      Wrong



                      Then why did their major advancements coincide with troop withdrawal? A coinky donk is it?
                      You're really convincing when you just say "wrong" with absolutely nothing to back it up.

                      Originally posted by quote
                      One expert estimates that more than 25 of ISISs top 40 leaders once served in the Iraqi military.


                      The decision to dissolve the Iraqi army robbed Baghdads post-invasion military of some of its best commanders and troops. Combined with sectarian strains that persist 12 years later, it also drove many of the suddenly out-of-work Sunni warriors into alliances with a Sunni insurgency that would eventually mutate into ISIS. Many former Iraqi military officers and troops, trained under Saddam, have spent the last 12 years in Anbar Province battling both U.S. troops and Baghdads Shiite-dominated security forces, Pentagon officials say.
                      The U.S. decision 12 years ago has provided the enemy with some of its best commanders and fighters.

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                      • #56
                        So you're done with this topic now biker? I just wanted to make sure you actually read the ISIS link this time since I posted it the last time you made erroneous claims about where ISIS originated from. Librulism is a mental illness but I guess conservatism is a disease of willful ignorance and revisionist history.

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                        • #57
                          Pre WWII, Lincoln.

                          Post WWII, Reagan in a landslide.

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                          • #58

                            Librulism is a mental illness but I guess conservatism is a disease of willful ignorance and revisionist history.

                            Originally posted by Nole View Post
                            Pre WWII, Lincoln.

                            Post WWII, Reagan in a landslide.
                            Gee look who showed up right on time! Thanks dippy lmao

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