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  • #16
    Most church daycares have some sort of religious education as part of their program. With the money they get from the state for the playground, they can afford a lot of bibles by not having to self-fund the playground. It's basically the same argument conservatives use about planned parenthood.

    Do other non-profits exclude your children from being on their property because you or they might be gay or a different religious belief?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by posthuman View Post

      When you apply for on-profit status you explicitly define yourself as religious or non-religious. If the church members want to form a non-profit that doesn't promote a religion, they can have the same benefits.
      Your argument was that a church shouldn't get taxpayer assistance because it doesn't pay taxes. That argument fails because other non profits that do benefit also do not pay taxes. It's kinda hard to see how there's going to be much proselytising benefit from resurfacing the playground. As I said if it were a textbook grant they wanted to spend on religious books, that would cross the line. Increasing the safety of their playground, not so much.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post

        Unless one of the guidelines or criteria is that you're not a Church lol

        Either we want the states tax dollars to be used to support church programs or we dont. You cant act surprised that given the current system they would balk at providing the Church with this type of support. What youre essentially saying is that you get to pick and choose what constitutes the proper separation of church and state. Some tax dollars should subjectively be able to be applied when others shouldnt. And as has already been insinuated...you can measure how laughable this sentiment is by how quick people would shit if these funds were being provided to anything other than a Christian Church. Amazing how fast a sympathetic story about helping kids would turn into material support for muslim terrists lulz.
        That's the thing though, it's not a church program. It's a state program to make playgrounds safer, from which the church school playground is being excluded. Think of the chirruns.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

          That's the thing though, it's not a church program. It's a state program to make playgrounds safer, from which the church school playground is being excluded. Think of the chirruns.
          If the chirrun aren't in the church... say they are on a property nearby that is being used as a daycare... they can form their non-profit there and get the same benefits. Paying for the church equipment is not a function of government in this country.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post
            Your argument was that a church shouldn't get taxpayer assistance because it doesn't pay taxes. That argument fails because other non profits that do benefit also do not pay taxes. It's kinda hard to see how there's going to be much proselytising benefit from resurfacing the playground. As I said if it were a textbook grant they wanted to spend on religious books, that would cross the line. Increasing the safety of their playground, not so much.
            I said they are "tax exempt for a reason." The reason is the government doesn't benefit churches. There are many non-profits that get government assistance. They aren't religious in nature.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by posthuman View Post

              I said they are "tax exempt for a reason." The reason is the government doesn't benefit churches. There are many non-profits that get government assistance. They aren't religious in nature.
              Tax exemption is a government benefit. They are tax exempt as are non religious non profits. Your initial argument was that not paying taxes should mean they can't benefit from taxes, something that would apply equally to non religious non profits. Rather than admit the boob you just went straight on to looking for other reasons, I suspect it comes down to not liking what they stand for. I'm not a fan of religions myself, I don't support governments supporting them, I just don't support governments oppressing them either. This is a playground in a preschool. There is a government initiative awarding grants that make those safer. I see no reason to exclude playgrounds because they are attached to church schools. It appears the SCOTUS isn't going to either.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

                That's the thing though, it's not a church program. It's a state program to make playgrounds safer, from which the church school playground is being excluded. Think of the chirruns.
                Ask them if we can hold a gay marriage ceremony or reception on that playground and tell me what they say about whether its "just a playground" or whether they consider it an extension of Church grounds. Spoiler alert...we've seen the end of this movie before.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by stymiegreen View Post

                  Ask them if we can hold a gay marriage ceremony or reception on that playground and tell me what they say about whether its "just a playground" or whether they consider it an extension of Church grounds. Spoiler alert...we've seen the end of this movie before.
                  Do you think there are many preschool playgrounds that are hired out for gay weddings or any other kind of weddings?

                  Again, this is funding available to non profits, not just to public schools. Not that they tend to be gay wedding venues either, but my point is the funding does not come with strings attached in the form of 'the state now dictates what you do with your private property'.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

                    That's the thing though, it's not a church program. It's a state program to make playgrounds safer, from which the church school playground is being excluded. Think of the chirruns.
                    Is the playground open to the public? State funding should not go to any strictly religious activity or proselytizing, but if it's a public facility and there's no discrimination for it's use, then I'm ok with it.

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                    • #25
                      Anti-religious zealots.
                      The KKK of atheists.

                      I think the state should bar left-leaning non-profits from receiving funding. They don't teach what I approve of.
                      Pretty much just hate groups.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

                        Do you think there are many preschool playgrounds that are hired out for gay weddings or any other kind of weddings?

                        Again, this is funding available to non profits, not just to public schools. Not that they tend to be gay wedding venues either, but my point is the funding does not come with strings attached in the form of 'the state now dictates what you do with your private property'.
                        There's no reason they can't do everything they are doing while not being a church. If they can get people to come to their center every Sunday and talk about charitable work without promoting a religion they get the same benefit as any other non-profit. But this isn't that. The reason the chirrun need a playground is because their parents are being prosletyzed within the church. The government has no business aiding that.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

                          Do you think there are many preschool playgrounds that are hired out for gay weddings or any other kind of weddings?

                          Again, this is funding available to non profits, not just to public schools. Not that they tend to be gay wedding venues either, but my point is the funding does not come with strings attached in the form of 'the state now dictates what you do with your private property'.
                          There's no reason they can't do everything they are doing while not being a church. If they can get people to come to their center every Sunday and talk about charitable work without promoting a religion they get the same benefit as any other non-profit. But this isn't that. The reason the chirrun need a playground is because their parents are being prosletyzed within the church. The government has no business aiding that.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by AnalHamster View Post

                            Do you think there are many preschool playgrounds that are hired out for gay weddings or any other kind of weddings?

                            Again, this is funding available to non profits, not just to public schools. Not that they tend to be gay wedding venues either, but my point is the funding does not come with strings attached in the form of 'the state now dictates what you do with your private property'.
                            There's no reason they can't do everything they are doing while not being a church. If they can get people to come to their center every Sunday and talk about charitable work without promoting a religion they get the same benefit as any other non-profit. But this isn't that. The reason the chirrun need a playground is because their parents are being prosletyzed within the church. The government has no business aiding that.

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                            • #29
                              This goddamn forum sucks

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by DandyDon View Post

                                Is the playground open to the public? State funding should not go to any strictly religious activity or proselytizing, but if it's a public facility and there's no discrimination for it's use, then I'm ok with it.
                                Are any preschool playgrounds open to the public? How is a preschool playground a strictly religious activity or avenue for proselytising? It's a church school the kids are going to be at any way, all this measure does is make sure they bounce if they fall.

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